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  • #46
    Originally posted by ntrlfield View Post
    Administer if I am off base here please feel free to remove this thread. I am in no way wanting to offend or start any argument here. I do feel we need to TALK about these things. What we should not do is personally insult each other or disrespect other opinions. With that said, I personally feel each community should be able to decide for themselves what to name their school or what their mascot is. The federal government has no right at all to decide these things. One could argue the state of Texas does have such right though. I would agree from a legal point of view the state could decide a name or mascot is offensive and make a school change it, however this is not something to be taken lightly and should be reserved to only most extreme cases. My personal feelings aside, I think if Midland wants have a school called the Midland Lee Rebels, that is their decision as a community. Same for Tyler and and the many other schools named after something related to the Confederate States of America. If you live in a community that is offended by Midland and your team plays them perhaps that could be extra motivation to play that much harder. It should not involve acts of violence, vandalism or unsportsmanlike conduct from either team. The teams are meeting to play a game of football, not make a political statement. I believe most of us love our country and our state and love being a part of the Friday night experience. Football is special to us Texans, and will remain that way for a long time.

    Now for my opinion on weather or not certain mascots are offensive. I chose to move to Cibolo instead of New Braunfels because my son refused to be a Unicorn. I probably would have been concerned if he would have liked the idea of being a Unicorn. Nothing against Unicorns, they just don't seem to be a macho mascot. That is just my personal opinion though. I am sure some people are offended by Knights. They have a history of killing Dragons and such. I suppose folks from South Lake could be offended, but then again Dragons have been know to kill Knights as well. The point is no matter what your school or mascot is it could be offensive to someone. I personally am not easily offended. I really could not think of a name that would offend me, but if it did we could move to another town or school district.

    I heard on the radio that 6 Flags over Texas has removed all of the flags except the American flag. They now have 6 American flags. That is their right and I fully support it. I think it is stupid myself, because the park was founded on the theme of the 6 national flags that has flown over Texas. France, Spain, Mexico, Texas, CSA, and USA. I remember as a child the park had an area dedicated to each of those nations. I learned what each flag looked like from my trips to 6 Flags. My parents took the time to teach me about each era in the history of Texas. I am afraid we are becoming so afraid of offending that we are going to extremes that are not only not necessary, but could actually have negative affects.

    I have expressed some of my opinions on this matter. I respect other opinions and feel you should be able to express them without receiving personal attacks or being disrespected. Perhaps someone on here could educate me. You never know, my opinion could even be changed. I am a bit stubborn, but have changed my mind on things in the past.

    I am sure most of you have been watching the news and know how heated thing are becoming. I just want to say this has no place in our football games. No matter which side you are on, please let the kids play Football, and not turn the games into something political. I hope we do not see and violence or vandalism from anyone this coming season. When I was in high school us and our rival school would sometimes vandalize each others schools. It was usually just one can of Green or Blue spray paint. We were stupid kids. It was never anything political or racial. We were too young and dumb to even have opinions on those things. Today kids do have more opinions because of social media, and 24 hour news. I hope parents and coaches are teaching sportsmanship and respect. I also hope game officials are ready to keep things from getting out of control. I trust that it will not ever come to that, but it is good to be ready. With all that said, I hope to hear from each of you. There is no wrong opinion except the ones that disagree with me. LOL.
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    • #47
      I will say only that if history is ignored or forgotten then it is deemed to repeat itself. Do things like confederate statues or Nazi plaques belong in general public place (I.E. Universities, parks ect) probably not, do they need to be destroyed, I would say not. Maybe some sort of learning museum or some such appropriate place as that. Again the Civil War and Confederacy and the horrors in Nazi Germany did happen, and I for one would like to see neither repeated, but needs to be remembered either to learn from or remind about.

      As far names of schools, buildings, streets, ect, if the general public and those that use them find them offensive then they have every right to change names as they see fit. I am not offended by team names such as rebels, redskins, chiefs, Indians ect but that is my feelings only....

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      • #48
        Originally posted by SBBear View Post
        I will say only that if history is ignored or forgotten then it is deemed to repeat itself. Do things like confederate statues or Nazi plaques belong in general public place (I.E. Universities, parks ect) probably not, do they need to be destroyed, I would say not. Maybe some sort of learning museum or some such appropriate place as that. Again the Civil War and Confederacy and the horrors in Nazi Germany did happen, and I for one would like to see neither repeated, but needs to be remembered either to learn from or remind about.

        As far names of schools, buildings, streets, ect, if the general public and those that use them find them offensive then they have every right to change names as they see fit. I am not offended by team names such as rebels, redskins, chiefs, Indians ect but that is my feelings only....
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        • #49
          "Not for fame or reward,
          Not for place or for rank,
          Not lured by ambition,
          Or goaded by necessity,
          But in Simple
          Obedience to Duty
          As they understood it,
          These men suffered all,
          Sacrificed all,
          Dared all--and died."

          These men, Americans all, both North and South, deserve to be remembered and honored for their courage and dedication. I would hope that their sacrifices would still be remembered and preserved 500 years from now.
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          • #50
            My city is named after a Confederate soldier and was an open secessionist. Apparently Tom S Lubbock was a part of the Knights of the Golden Circle.

            From the Texas State Historical Association website:

            KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN CIRCLE. The Knights of the Golden Circle (K.G.C.), a secretive organization created in 1854, proposed to establish a slaveholding empire encompassing the southern United States, the West Indies, Mexico, and parts of Central America. Centering on Havana, this empire would be some 2,400 miles in diameter—hence the name Golden Circle. Leaders of the K.G.C. argued that their empire would have a virtual monopoly on the world’s supply of tobacco and sugar and perhaps cotton and have the strength to preserve slavery in the South from constant attacks by northern Abolitionists.

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            • #51
              I would not be comfortable supporting my team is they played Dixie as their fight song, waved the Confederate battle flag, etc. Not in this day and age.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by DrEdward View Post
                "Not for fame or reward,
                Not for place or for rank,
                Not lured by ambition,
                Or goaded by necessity,
                But in Simple
                Obedience to Duty
                As they understood it,
                These men suffered all,
                Sacrificed all,

                Dared all--and died."

                These men, Americans all, both North and South, deserve to be remembered and honored for their courage and dedication. I would hope that their sacrifices would still be remembered and preserved 500 years from now.
                Glad to have found you here Dr. Some historic facts have failed to reach some groups.
                Could you consider giving those concerned a lesson concerning a Union General named Sherman and his President and the actions they took toward American Indians in the West following following the civil war, including Indians who helped the union fight against the confederates. Besides driving them off of their lands, wiping out villages including women and children, wiping out their mainsourses of food. I feel uncomfortable that those who know only half history aren't protesting for the first Americans and demanding a erasure of all things connected to the barbaric overthrow of the original American. Unless Red lives don'matter.

                In you best way, teach-em up in a way socialism forgets to.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by mojotrain View Post
                  Glad to have found you here Dr. Some historic facts have failed to reach some groups.
                  Could you consider giving those concerned a lesson concerning a Union General named Sherman and his President and the actions they took toward American Indians in the West following following the civil war, including Indians who helped the union fight against the confederates. Besides driving them off of their lands, wiping out villages including women and children, wiping out their main sourses of food. I feel uncomfortable that those who know only half history aren't protesting for the first Americans and demanding a erasure of all things connected to the barbaric overthrow of the original American. Unless Red lives don't matter.

                  In you best way, teach-em up in a way socialism forgets to.
                  I am covering some of this in the 150 Years Ago Today thread. Right now, Sherman and Custer would be focused on the Kansas frontier and the action against Indians there.
                  Last edited by DrEdward; 09-20-2017, 10:20 PM.
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                  • #54
                    And you can say Indians are not my problem. Yet today you can champion causes with slogans, we all bleed red, Black lives matter, we all are of the same creator and in fact are created equal even if you deny A Creator.

                    My history shows that at least the Western portion of the Americas were inhabited by migrants who came from a area of what we know as Russia or Siberia via walking or boating across to what we know as Alaska then down to the West coast into Mexico and South America. In short they were here first.

                    It's important to know that when Texas was first being settled both Mexicans and Indians were dominate in Texas and to the North and South. It should also be know that in the struggle for Texas independence Mexicans and Blacks fought with Texans for Texas and Blacks and Mexicans fought for Mexico. Indians joined both sides. Get the point?

                    I guess some who have read this far consider the above as useless information, I say, all depending on what your quest is. So the remainder of this spill is directly to those, those who hurt at the site of one half of Americas history. In what follows it ends in a question but it assumes that if nothing else each of you believe that all lives matter and my blood would blend well with over 60% of those who read this.

                    I mentioned above to check the history of Union General who championed the cause of anti-slavery, the very basis of what started this topic. If you research the following Union general who won the civil war for the Northern army's you should be left with lingering thoughts in your mind about tearing down istory..

                    If you believe there was nations of peoples that inhabited and laid claim of ownership of America before Eastern Europeans and or their slaves then then please research Gen US. Grant the Champion of the Civil war and focus on his Presidency as the 18th President and the Generals who followed his direction all the way to the North East Corner of America. Research his generals who all fought against the confederate army's of the south '. General William Sherman, General Oliver Howard, General Philip Sherman,General George Crook and General Nelson Miles. Throw in Gen George Custer. Many black troops fought against native Americans. The fact is this was all done under the American flag. Schools are named after President Grant and his generals monuments are scattered throughout America

                    This is a trap question for those who tear down history. Are we brothers, do we all bleed red or more important,would your blood blend with mine? Would you say the American Indian is unequal, inclined to be savage just because others wanted to take their land are they to weak to exist and own? How do you view what happened to the American Indian?

                    If each of you who wish to not be reminded of the confederacy, would you join a effort, such as the one you support now to remove all reminders of those who pounded American natives into a lower level of human esteem that you now perceive your race to dwell in? Would you join a effort by your brothers of a different color to rail against what you rail against for your own feelings. Including the American flag? I would, only if I were apart of destroying half of American History. But I'm not, American history from the native Americans to the gangs of New York through the civil war, to 9/11 it's my history. I want every generation of Martins from now until the end of time to know it..
                    Last edited by mojotrain; 09-20-2017, 11:24 PM.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by DrEdward View Post

                      I am covering some of this in the 150 Years Ago Today thread. Right now, Sherman and Custer would be focused on the Kansas frontier and the action against Indians there.
                      I posted another thread before I knew you had replied. I won't delete it as it took to long. One of his generals chased the Nez Prez into SW Canada killing women and children along the way.
                      Last edited by mojotrain; 09-20-2017, 11:06 PM.

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